tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31588679.post8642681401692213192..comments2023-10-21T16:25:58.899+01:00Comments on Three Score Years And Ten: Votes For Prisoners - Remove The No-Go SignHarry Barneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01600933854461096745noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31588679.post-92108418316803552502012-11-23T20:18:30.519+00:002012-11-23T20:18:30.519+00:00John : The trouble is that the Government are prep...John : The trouble is that the Government are prepared to get themselves into legal trouble over their Bill, because it allows them to do a lot of thub tumping which appeals to many people's prejudices. Labour is then too timid to challenge them and goes along with this rubbish. It also allows the Government to be anti-Europe, by ignoring the fact that the European Court of Justice isn't part of the EU. It is all pathetic politics.Harry Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01600933854461096745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31588679.post-13357811275802509432012-11-23T14:16:48.429+00:002012-11-23T14:16:48.429+00:00Th draft Bill fails to mention voting European ele...Th draft Bill fails to mention voting European elections. Presently prisoner from Scotland has a case before the UKSC on this issue.jailhouselawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795278184797990706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31588679.post-46991022233266804342012-11-19T22:58:42.083+00:002012-11-19T22:58:42.083+00:00John : Thanks. We will see what a mess parliament ...John : Thanks. We will see what a mess parliament makes of the issue with their coming votes.Harry Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01600933854461096745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31588679.post-42579418947003483592012-11-19T19:01:33.874+00:002012-11-19T19:01:33.874+00:00You might be interested in my blog post Chris Gra...You might be interested in my blog post <a href="http://jailhouselawyersblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/chris-graylings-proposals-on-prisoners.html" rel="nofollow">Chris Grayling's proposals on prisoners votes is unlawful</a> <br /><br />Indeed, why do we do it? I have not heard any convincing argument. jailhouselawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795278184797990706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31588679.post-59780014129340393142012-11-19T16:07:06.407+00:002012-11-19T16:07:06.407+00:00John : Thank you for the link. In the debate on 10...John : Thank you for the link. In the debate on 10 February 2011, it was possible to vote against the motion on three main grounds. (1) To defend the rights of the European Court of Human Rights. (2) In support of the move to give more (or full) voting rights to prisoners.(3) From a combination of both of the above reasons. It is theoretically possible but highly unlikely that some might have abstained or even have voted for the motion, who took the line that they believed more (or all) prisoners should have the vote, but they didn't think it was up to the European Court of Human Rights to have a say in the matter.<br /><br />With the two tellers, only 24 MPs opposed the motion. They were Alan Beith, Peter Bottomley, Tom Brake, Jonathan Edwards, Don Foster, Barry Gardiner, Kate Green, Duncan Hames,Lady Hermon,Simon Hughes, Julian Huppert, Glenda Jackson, Elfyn Llwyd, Andrew Love, Caroline Lucas, Kerry MaCarthy,John McDonnell, Tessa Munt, Yasmin Qureshi, Alan Reid, Hywel Williams, Stephen Williams, and the tellers Jeremy Corbyn and Lorely Burt. <br /><br />I will email those I knew to encourage them to submit an appropriate amendment to the Government's coming options - even though the amendment is unlikely to be selected.<br /><br />I liked this contribution from the earlier debate from Peter Bottomley - "When someone is convicted of an offence, a number of elements are available to the court in disposing of the sentence. I cannot think of a single objective that is met by withdrawing the right to be registered to vote and to vote. It is clearly not a deterrent; I do not see that it is a punishment; I do not see that it helps rehabilitation; and I do not think that it is much of a penance either. The question is, therefore, why do we do it?"Harry Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01600933854461096745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31588679.post-32354639245938742302012-11-19T14:01:51.670+00:002012-11-19T14:01:51.670+00:00Link <a href="http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmhansrd/cm110210/debtext/110210-0004.htm#column_584" rel="nofollow">Link</a> <br /><br />jailhouselawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795278184797990706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31588679.post-67181422768263718952012-11-19T10:50:33.594+00:002012-11-19T10:50:33.594+00:00John. Do you have a link to the 22 names of MPs an...John. Do you have a link to the 22 names of MPs and the two tellers who opposed Cameron's position on Votes for Prisoners in February?<br /><br />Below are two valuable comments on the BBC item I give a link to.<br /><br />Comment number 599.<br />Circus maxima<br />18th November 2012 - 17:15<br /><br />Criminals go into jail and are denied their freedom...but they are not denied their human rights and most aspects of their lives go on....they can own houses, have bank accounts, own stocks and shares and earn money. They can vote for building society rule changes, they can object to planning applications and company chairmen. They have lost their freedom but they are still part of society.<br /><br />Comment number 532.<br />realitycheck<br />18th November 2012 - 15:53<br /><br />Sinner, saint, idiot or genius, no-one is "more entitled" than anyone else to exist. Removing the right to vote just spurs the hatred and long term feelings of being oppressed by society, the feeling you don't count, have no redemption, outcast. This generally leads to terrorism, gun crazed attacks and all the other things "society does not understand". Let them vote LAB or CON, it matters not.Harry Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01600933854461096745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31588679.post-55858953602520483252012-11-19T00:23:30.859+00:002012-11-19T00:23:30.859+00:00Thanks HarryThanks Harryjailhouselawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795278184797990706noreply@blogger.com